Brian Liebreich is a psychiatrist and psychosomatic doctor at Providence Health & Services. He is a speaker and the author of Waking Up: Stress Management Principles for Effective Living. He joins Jared Siegel to explore the scientific relationship between our emotional health and physical health and how we can care for both to ensure our life and values are well aligned.

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Here are a few highlights from Jared's conversation with Brian Liebreich:

  • According to Jared, people often think that more professional success creates more financial success, and that more financial success creates flexibility and flourishing. However, that is not always the case.
  • We all know the age-old adage ‘money can’t buy happiness.’ “There is no evidence saying that people who earn or have a lot of money are happier than those who don’t above the poverty level,” Brian claims.
  • “People don’t change until the pain of their circumstances exceeds the pain of the change,” Jared says. He asks Brian how we can create the necessary pain to trigger change in our lives before we have a real crisis. “A goal is inherently disruptive, as it is a planned conflict with the status quo,” Brian replies. He talks about the four S’s for developing goals.
  • When people are fully engaged in what they are doing, there is a sense of satisfaction, regardless of how mundane the activity is.
  • “A lot of people have limiting beliefs [about themselves and their abilities] that keep them from doing things they like,” Brian remarks. “I think it’s important for people to write down what they want out of their life. I’ve had many people do this and most of the time, it’s achievable… it’s a self-worth issue.”
  • You have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. In becoming your best self, you have to be willing to be vulnerable. “Being comfortable with my limitations, strengths, not shying away from opportunities in fear of messing up… that’s what makes life exciting and meaningful to me,” Brian shares.